SCORE by Kennedy Ryan

[00:00:20] I don't have any beverages. I'm raw. Not one beverage, you know, sister. I ran back in that room. I took a sip of water because I said I'm running late and I got my black s*** sitting here and I sat down. You know, I don't know how you're going to get through this episode, sister, because we're back. We're about to run that mouth. Yeah. Let me just tell you, I'll just actually I'm going to keep that comment to myself. I'll be all right. At least you won't have to take any bathroom breaks.

[00:00:51] Correct. Your bladder will be fine. Yeah, because you you know I was going to go grab my Alani but you know I have to pee twice when I drink them so I'm like literally standard. Right, I'm like never mind. Can't do it this way. This morning because you don't miss something if you leave. Exactly and we can't have that because this one's just gonna be too good. Wait, it'll be too good. Did you finish the book? Yes, sister. This morning? Of course.

[00:01:20] It's gotta stay fresh in my mind but I will say this is the latest I ever had to wake up. Like I didn't you know how sometimes I'd be having to hit that 5 a.m. alarm so that I can finish the last three hours or so? I didn't have to do that. Oh, so you only had a little bit left. Yesterday at work I only had two hours left. What's up? What's up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No big deal.

[00:01:51] Give her a sticker. Yeah. So I finished. Not only did I finish, I wrote my little review. Oh, review? You know what? Oh, you know what? Well, since you got so much to say, welcome back to another episode of the Reading Black Girls podcast. I'm gonna bang on this desk like you know who it is. You know who it is. You know it. I'm sorry. I had a coffee. I'm a little hype. They know how sweet it is. Okay. Thank you. Exactly. They do. Exactly. I'm Kayla.

[00:02:21] I'm Alex. I'm Nish. I'm Aziza. And we are The Reading Black Girls Podcast. Now, let me just say this. I know some of y'all probably just paused and were like, is that a man? Because y'all heard that. Jump scare. Jump scare. Hi. We have a special episode being put together for y'all today. We had to put this together because obviously the book that we're going to talk about is

[00:02:50] taking the world by storm as it should. And we've been wanting to have this man on our podcast for a while. So we're excited to get some male perspective, some little kiki in, see what you think of the book. But none other than Edric is here. He is a booksta, book talker. He discusses books on his page.

[00:03:16] And he obviously is another champion of black books. And also, he reads black romance. We love that. We love that. We love that. We love that. Edric, welcome to the podcast. His handle is Edric RedIt, I think on all socials. Yeah. So y'all make sure y'all go follow him. But he's here. He's in for the ride today. Yeah. Wee. Buckle up. Thank y'all. Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[00:03:47] Thank you for joining us. So. What's this book that we're getting into? Yeah. Like, that's the thing. You never use the book till like, well, we're five minutes in. I think this is definitely like auto-read author for all of us. Yeah. One hundred percent. And once we read the first book of this series, the Harlem Renaissance series, once we read real, we were sad. Yeah. We were sad. We were like, we will be tuned in for the next one.

[00:04:15] And as soon as this lady announced the next book, we were, yes, we were sad. One hundred percent. So this is definitely one of our most anticipated reads for 2026. And we, it met every expectation. Yeah. Yeah. Kayla's tearing up as she does. No. Literally just thinking about it. And I don't even blame her. I feel like I've been crying for three weeks. Oh my. Right.

[00:04:45] Man, listen. Right. Man. Listen. I mean, like, I know I cry a lot, but. Crying is good for you sometimes. It is. Very cathartic. What book are we discussing today? If you haven't guessed, it's our girl, Kennedy Ryan's newest to school. Period. Period. Period. I just, I love her so bad. Okay. But look at this cover. Gorgeous cover. Okay. First of all.

[00:05:15] Stunning. Beautiful. Beautiful. That's how you know she is that girl. She didn't just have one rollout of this book with this cover. We love multiple editions. She said, we got a Barnes & Nobles exclusive. We got the indie exclusive. You get an art print. You get artwork. You get the characters on the inside. You get bonus scenes. Man. Hello. Man. Man. Who's treating their readers like this? Period. Exactly. Yeah. I'm not going to lie at first.

[00:05:42] So, I got mine through like the indie book exclusive. So, I went through Mahogany Books. Shout out Mahogany books. Mahogany. Big shout out. Podcast network. Love you, Mahogany. Um. So, I went to the event. I got my book signed. Period. Period. And then I was like, I don't know why, but I never pre-ordered the Barnes & Noble exclusive. I'm like, I need that pink dress cover. When I tell you, every single bookstore, every single Barnes & Noble in the DMV passed the DMV. Sold out. Could not get it. Sold out.

[00:06:09] When I tell you, I saw someone online was like, I'm in this state. I ordered it in Alabama and they're going to ship it to me. I was like, okay. Can I tell y'all, I tried to get the book for pickup all the way in Spokane, Washington. Book for pickup? To try to get it shipped. For pickup? What? Because the girl said, the girl said she got it for pickup and then she called them over the phone and they were able to ship it to her. I'm screaming. I tried to do the same thing, but you had to be a premium member and I'm not a premium member.

[00:06:39] You should have called me, sister. Premium member. She's a premium member. I'm a premium member. I'm going to give them her card number. You're down with the premium. It had my name on it. They were like, you need to, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, oh. You should have said that. A whole lot of people. But guess what? I am a lady of resilience. Persistence. You know what I did? I canceled that. Called Nanny. Hey, Nanny. Checked all over LA. Yeah. There you go. And guess what? Yeah. Got a copy. I'm like, Nanny, can you pick this up for me? She's like, yeah, I can pick it up and get down the street.

[00:07:08] And then she sends me a picture on my book. Like. Cute. So resourceful. Thank you. Thank you. Perfect. Shout out Nanny. You know, those are the links that we're willing to go through for this woman. All right. Yeah. Because one thing about her, she's finna put you through it. Okay. But in the most beautiful way, like where it feels like your heart is literally bursting by the end. Yeah. Yeah. You know? That's good.

[00:07:37] And I feel like everybody deserves to experience that personally. Not for sure. Yeah. So what was everyone's like first impression before even opening the book? First thoughts? It was tea. Oh, absolutely. You see how she's laying on this piano? Yeah. Like a seductress? Yeah. So I knew, I knew Monk was finna be in trouble. I was intrigued. I was intrigued. Because I didn't, I know you said we was all sad after real.

[00:08:06] But I was actually standing up because I wasn't, just for a moment of truth. I just, the first time I read it, because Alex gave it to me years ago and I was like. I literally was like, Aziza, you will love this book. You know, Aziza's a theater girl. I was like, oh, Aziza, you would love this book. It's about a director, an elite actress. Like, you'll eat this up. She was like, yeah, babe. It took me like six months to read it. Didn't really like it.

[00:08:33] Yeah, it was not, it was not, I don't know what it is, but it was not my fave. But I went back and reread it before reading Score. Ate it up. I loved it. I don't know if it was just a time of my life, but I loved it. Sometimes it's like that. Sometimes it's time. I loved it the second time and I was so excited and I was able to look at it with new eyes. So Score was just like this breath of fresh air. I was like, yeah, now, yeah, now I'm sat cross-legged.

[00:09:03] In fact, I'm really not getting up. Yeah. Like a lady. Idrick, what were your thoughts? I was super excited for it to come out. Like, I think my only hesitation was, I was telling a couple of people, like, I feel like, like you said, like, we're all like, this is an auto-buy author. But at a certain point, I think I get to a point where I'm like, how is she going to top what she's already done? No, for real. Like, how?

[00:09:32] Because, like, every book that I've read has been so great and it's just like, it had me kind of nervous. Like, I was just like, I have faith that she can do it, but I was just like, I don't know how she's going to do it. But she did it. That's the question every time. Right. It's like she's a magician or something. Like, I really don't know how she's able to talk, continuously top herself every single time, every single book released. Crazy. Well, and not only that, I feel like, okay, obviously her style of writing is beautiful.

[00:09:59] But then on top of that, she always finds a way to layer in these real life topics and then ensures that she goes and does the research surrounding that, has sensitivity. Like, literally. The amount of care that she puts into it. Yes, the effort that care 100%. And you can feel it, like. 100%. When she said in the, it's the prologue, right? Or the author's note, I never write the hurt without the healing. Yeah.

[00:10:29] She means that. She means that. That lady is insane. Or what did she, what did she say? She said she writes kind of like similar to the Hippocratic Oath. Where she was like, what your first thing is to do no harm. Yes. Like how you, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on. Like, how do you not like her? Right. You know who I'm like. How could you not? Like. Yeah. She's very special. I feel like I've done so many different things in my life where it's like, you know, like you'll have like a favorite artist or something like that.

[00:10:58] And you're like, I go hard for this artist. For some reason, like when it comes to like a favorite author in particular, like Kennedy Ryan, like genuinely, I feel like if y'all ever, if y'all ever saw like a news article and was like Raleigh Mann was, was taken to jail. It would be like somebody disrespected Kennedy Ryan or something and be like. We know who it was. It was above me at this point.

[00:11:28] Damn. They got him. Yeah. And I'm going to be like, free him till it's back. Free him back. Free him back. Like, it's like, it's such a different type of vibe though. That's so real. You know what? And I ain't even mad at that. I feel like people be like, let people like what they like. If you don't like Kennedy Ryan, I am judging you. Yeah. I'm not even going to hold you. I'm sorry. I'm still sorry. And actually, I want you to write an essay on why you dislike her. And you need to. Three reasons.

[00:11:58] Yes. You need to cite some, some evidence. Oh yeah. Okay. And you better be able to explain it. Okay. Because if we're not getting that, it's just not making sense. Right. And you know, that's very few folks I feel that strongly about. Yeah. That's true. I get not every author's for everybody, but I just feel like she, she, first of all, she has like a pretty lengthy catalog. Like she's got, she's got the, the queen Kingmaker series. She has that other series before.

[00:12:27] I can't remember the name of it. I can't remember either. She's got Skyland. Longshot. Yeah. In the, in the, in the, she's got Skyland and now she's got Harlem Renaissance. And I'm just like, and she has her indie published stuff too. So I'm just like, maybe you, she got something for you. Sissy been working. Somewhere. Somewhere. In that catalog. Right. But. You need to find it. Okay. You need to find the one you like. Find something you like. Let's, let's talk. Let's talk about her because score was crazy.

[00:12:56] From beginning to end. From beginning to end. My God. When was the moment that y'all knew that Kennedy was about to just snatch you up and just take you through there? Because I want you to know this happened to me very early and it wasn't anything like, I would say super significant that happened, but I knew she was about to tear me up. Yeah. You want me to tell you when? Yeah. You go first. Perfect. I invite you to open up to chapter. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:13:27] I was ready. Stand when you found it. Your joke's like, perfect. Yeah. Yeah. So literally, I'm not even joking. The moment where she went to go and see Monk for the first time performing and he was with his girl and they locked eyes across that theater. Mind you. It was at first sight. He's doing that to Petra, aka her girlfriend. Her girlfriend. Okay. Her girlfriend. Currently. It is just this electric moment. Like in my face. So magnetic. So.

[00:13:58] Yes. The energy. It was, it was, it was crazy. Jumping off the page. You see? I respect Petra though because Petra can't be a real player. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie because, like, because Petra, I feel like at that point you, you have to step in. Like, I understand, like y'all have an open relationship. I'll be like, look, this is not, this isn't feeling very open right now. Okay. Right. Like you didn't locked in. You haven't looked at, you haven't spared me a glance all night.

[00:14:28] Okay. And she was cool. She was just like, yeah, go talk to her. Go talk to him. Like, nah, we don't, we don't keep this one away from you. Right. This is getting a little dicey. So it's getting late. We got to go. Come on. She was like, matter of fact, I'm going to take you up there to meet him. Yeah. She said, let me move this right on along. Because if I feel it. Yes. I know y'all feel it. And you're never going to say it. So let me, don't, I'll make sure. I'm sorry, but Kennedy. Threesome chapter two?

[00:14:58] A. Whoa. A. Like, we're getting, we got it. Let me tell you something. Crazy. She heard, she heard my suggestion. She heard my cries. Because of the menage. Just like that. I want it early. Like, yes. Yeah. We don't always have to wait. Why we got to wait? We don't have to wait for it. Right. Jump straight into it. Yeah. As a matter of fact, it was a threesome with no kissing. Yeah. And no penile penetration. Penetration.

[00:15:29] All right. What have they got my boy over here for? Like, they're like, genuinely. Like, I was just like, bro, like all these rules. What am I here for? I'm like, I don't know. It was kind of giving cut for a second. It was giving cut for me. He got a mouth. And he needs to put it to use. Okay. Come on. Sometimes you got to get creative. And that's what happened. He thought outside the box. Yeah. He said, I'm going to take it how I can get it. Yeah. Anything I can get. You know what I'm saying? Like. Because I'm thirsty. Come for me.

[00:15:58] Because he's thirsty. In fact. Please. Please. That was his theme the whole book. He said, however I can get it with her. Yeah. I'm going to take it. And I'm sorry. It's something about a man who just wants whatever he can get. Boy. You know that little meme? The little. Like, he's over there on his knees. He's like, please. Please. I'm a little bit. That was deaf monk. Yeah.

[00:16:28] And I said, I like that. He would be mad about it for a second. Most men are like that, though. Like, when they love you, I feel like men be just as down. If not. Like, all the men that I know, like, they go through a breakup where you really like. I just saw a video of a dude. Didn't even realize he was, like, on the couch. Like, kicking his feet. His homeboys were like, who are you texting, bro? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we don't broadcast it as much. But we be just as in love.

[00:16:59] It be out of control. I'm so sweet. Oh. Him kicking his feet. Right? To the front. Please and thank you. So sweet. You need more of that. Like, what's wrong with trying to show that woman you like her? Right. And you want to be there for her? Ain't nothing wrong with that. Okay. So I knew it was going down. Started to see the signs. Started to see the signs with her.

[00:17:29] And when Verity and Monk were started dating early in the relationship. And she, up late at night. Do, do, do, do, do. I've got this. I have to meet this deadline. I have to meet this deadline. Do, do, do, do. I was like, this is not going to end well. Well, and I almost wish I would have went into this super blind and not read anything online. Yes. Because I almost feel like that would have been an even more jarring experience. Yes. But also, at the same time, you're right.

[00:17:58] Them saxophones were playing the entire time. Oh, loud. The entire time. We were louder and louder. I was so nervous. I'm like, girl, something ain't right. Which is crazy because they started kind of loud. Right. So. They were blaring. Yeah. They were. It was that chapter two that got us distracted. Very much that manage. The saxophones were playing, but we was focused on that threesome. It was like, you know what? You might be onto something there.

[00:18:27] And when they got together, they were just so happy so fast. Like, I don't think. I think when they went to like Thanksgiving and they were like talking to their families about each other. Or like the holiday breaks. And like, they were just so happy. And Monk just kept saying like, this is my girl. Like, I'm going to marry her. Like, he was really like playing like happily ever after with her. He was like, I found my person. We're going to do better than my parents. Like, it's going to be great. I mean, I think she'll move to New York with me. X, Y, Z. And like, Verity's just, I don't know.

[00:18:55] She was just going and going and was gone. And I'm like, girl, what is you on? Is you good? Right. Is you cool? Going, going, gone. Yeah. Is it was, it was also them like the secrets, you know, like Verity just. She was not open. She was not an open book. Like, if you were talking about her past, she was like, what you trying to, you trying to know something about me? She said, why are you all up in my business?

[00:19:24] She said, that's weird of you. That's weird. I'm your man. I'm your man. To your man. She said, you're my man. She said, you're my man for the present, not for the past. Okay? Get it right. Verity. Like, it's okay. I was, I just wanted him to press harder, but I was like, you know what? And he did know. He was. And I was like, there's just so much more book ahead.

[00:19:49] I was like, I guess she's just really going to lay the groundwork because she really kept that secret locked up tight until like three quarters of the way. Yeah. I mean, but she kind of was breadcrumbing when she was talking about how things were bad at USC and Finley was a new start and woo, woo, woo, woo. I was like. It's like how many times do you say something was bad?

[00:20:15] Like, all she really just wanted him to know, like, I didn't, like, my past isn't the best. It was a bad time. Yeah. I'm just trying to move forward. And he didn't. Like, he didn't know to what extent. Like, you could say, all right, I had a bad time. People could have been bullying you. That's true. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you could have just been super busy or something. Like, you didn't, like, the vibe didn't match. Mm-hmm. Whole time, she out here really having, like, episodes. And it's like, bro, like, if you had said something, like, let me know what's going on. Is it anxiety?

[00:20:44] Like, even if you don't know the diagnosis. Mm-hmm. Like, how were you feeling? Yeah. Yeah. Let me know. And that's the part that got me. I was like, why? I actually, I think that's one of my least favorite things that characters do is keep a secret that could, like, completely shift the narrative. I'm like, if you're going to love someone, because it's always with someone they love.

[00:21:10] If you're going to love someone, why not trust them with this information? And it's not like she had told someone in the past and they hurt her. Like, she just literally, like, you know, trauma. But I was like, Verity, please, for the love of God, tell him. And I was screaming that the whole time. And she kept being like, nah, he doesn't need to know. I did start understanding her position, though.

[00:21:36] Once, like, we were past, like, the prequel stuff. And we were, she was talking about, you know, her path to just present and all her group therapy and all her therapy sessions and how many people she's met with BPD. And, you know, I didn't know the high divorce rate. I didn't know, like, that was, like, it was. Using your children. To your spouse, like, people using your episodes against you when you're not in control. The people you love most using your episodes against you. Yeah.

[00:22:05] And then professionally, her having those issues as well. At work. Yeah. Going through an episode and she wasn't able to complete something. So now it's, like, jeopardizing your career. So I would keep it locked tight, too. But. Right. Sister, with the people you love. Hello. You've got to, like, lean on your community. But I also get, like, I think Kennedy. She's so masterful. Wow. She did such a fantastic job of, like, showing not only how it affects, like, the personal BPD, but also, like, the loved ones, too. Yeah.

[00:22:34] Okay, because the aunties. Yes. Oh, my goodness. I loved those relationships. And I did really like that, like, they were so supportive and they really loved her. But, again, it was her not necessarily sharing in real time what was kind of going on. But also, I mean, I get it. After a while, it's like, dang. Like, can I live? Right. I'm on my own two feet. Like, I'm trying. I'm working my steps. I'm talking to my therapist. I'm doing this.

[00:23:01] Like, but I'm also like, girl, like, let your aunties come in and lay some eyes on you. That's the real. That's what I think the problem was. That's all they really wanted. They just needed to come and lay some eyes on her for real. But even that, I feel like it went back to, like, them knowing that, like, she doesn't naturally just want to share the information. Because it was like, you see, like, they didn't find out that something was wrong until it was horribly wrong in California. They were there to help her, like, find the diagnosis.

[00:23:30] So it's like, okay, like, understandably, they're worried. But going forward, it's like, okay, like, I want to trust that you're going to tell me something. Right. But if something is going wrong, you've already shown us. Bitch. All hell could be breaking loose. And you're not going to call us until it's all over. Yeah. You know? So it's like, look, let me ask a couple extra. Let me ask some leading questions real quick. Right. Have you been staying up too late? Like, what's going on? You've been sticking to your routines.

[00:23:59] And Verity's like, I've been working. You've been sleeping. Verity's like, I've been working. Are you taking your mask? I'm stressed. Right. And she's like, get out of my business. She's like, I'm on set. Okay, I'm on set. Right. Like, I'm busy. She's like, I got deadlines. Okay. Like, do you have deadlines? No. No. Okay. So you don't get it. She literally was like, get out of my face with that. Like, y'all are worry words. Like, y'all are doing too much. But it's like, honey, it's coming from a place. It's a love. Yes.

[00:24:26] Which is so funny because it was the same thing that she was doing for her own friends. Yeah. Like, she was seeing the signs. She was like. With her gym. Right. With the gyms. She was like, okay, like, you're a little erratic. You're not staying still. Like, just the things. Like, that feeling that you get when, like, something's off. But when it was flipped on her, it was. It was. Yeah, she was not. I don't. Relax. Like, but what I appreciated was.

[00:24:53] Because I think so many people are, like, afraid of confrontation or rocking the boat. Or especially when it comes to, like, mental illness. Like, not wanting to press the person because you don't want them to become distrustful. But Monk said something. He's like, I would, like, rather risk upsetting you. And, like, then trying to avoid a confrontation. And I missed something. Right. And I just thought that was so important because it's like. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to be mad at me. But I need to make sure that you're okay.

[00:25:22] Because, like Verity said at one point, she was like, BPD, like, it can destroy lives if it's not in check. And so I just, like, all the support systems. Like, the love. But also, like, the, hey, hey, what's going on? Like, really, like, holding that person accountable. I feel like that's what a true support system looks like. It's not just a pat on the back. Like, I'm here for you.

[00:25:47] It's a, we need to have a tough conversation right now because something's off. And I know you're mad, but we still need to talk. That's real. Just so well done, Kennedy. That part was so good to me. It's like, when Monk brought it back up, it was like a, like, when I was reading, that was probably the only time. There's two times where I felt, like, extremely frustrated with Verity. Like, the first time when she came to the studio and left, like, I knew immediately something was about to go horribly wrong.

[00:26:17] The second time was when it was like, okay, like, y'all are together. But for some reason, something triggered in my brain when she was like, I, like, she threw her slipper into the pool. I was like, that's weird. That's a weird thing to do. And then you went and made, like, a full spread of food. Literally, like, six courses. It's breakfast. Like, so you're showing some signs, but I'm like, all right, maybe I'll chalk that up to, like, coincidence.

[00:26:45] But then you, if my boy wakes up and you're, once again, you're frantically working, you're drenched because you, in the middle of the night, decided you had to go get your slipper out of the pool. I'd be thinking the same thing. Like, you know, like, all right, like, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this don't seem, this isn't, this doesn't seem like rational behavior. Correct. Very correct. You're soaking wet at 2 a.m. typing with one shoe on. Actually, I knew it.

[00:27:14] I knew it at the food. When she said she made Marry Me Chicken and the steak and something, I said, I said, she's about to go into an episode because nobody in their right mind is making all of that food in one sit. But Marry Me Chicken alone takes a little minute because you got to do the tomatoes and the onions and then you got to get the sauce. I said, oh, no. Oh, no. And this man monk just, I was like, I hope that he catches on, like, soon.

[00:27:44] Right when he walked in the door. He was like, I'm on my shoe on. Happy Valentine's Day. Yeah. My stomach was hurting so bad. When they first agreed to the arrangement and she decided she wasn't going to tell him, I was like, this is a mess. Marry Me. Come on now. Like, I just knew once that arrangement was made, I'm like, I was predicting, I was sitting there, I was like, I think I called Nisha. I was like, she is going to have an episode and he's going to find her looking crazy as hell, doing something insane.

[00:28:14] And then we're going to be back to square one. We're going to be back to exactly where we started. And I'm like, I simply cannot take this again. Like, them doing it the first time when he found her at Top Dog, that, I was hurting. Can we talk about that for a second? Let's go back to her first episode. Her first hypomanic episode. That was so stressful. That was so scary. Stressful. Yeah. From the studio scene. No, her getting that dress. Hey.

[00:28:44] Dressed all the way. She looked like a 304 walking down the street. My thing is. Okay, I'm not going to hold you. I was like, I know that dress look hot. I know she looked good. I know it was. But her and that bubblegum pink lipstick with this bubblegum pink dress. I'm like, oh, Jesus. It went down to her belly button. It not, because it's not even that dress. It didn't have no back. This one has no back. In my head, it was like a cute. Right. It's like that. It did end right there. But then the cut went down to the belly.

[00:29:13] It was a risque dress. And then she had the nerve to pair with some pumps and then put on a full face of makeup. I know she looks beautiful. And then go and try and suck her man dick while he at work? Bro. Yeah. Right across from him people. I'm so sorry. He was working. He was literally playing his little music. And she's like, whip it out.

[00:30:05] I'm like, oh, no. Yo, just hanging out. Yeah. Like, he's locked in. But then he's also locked in with her. And it's like, all right, give me a second. Let me get them to a place where they can brainstorm or something. I don't have to do all the time. We can go to. Yeah, we can find a place. But we can't do this right now. You know what I'm saying? She just had to wait 30 minutes to an hour. He was literally almost done with that song. She said, my skin is on fire and I need that.

[00:30:33] And he didn't give it to her. She literally was burning from the inside out, though. I was physically scared. I was scared sitting there reading. I might have even been at work. And I was like, oh, Jesus. I was like, I don't know what's about to happen. And then it got worse. Yeah, worse and worse. Worser and worse. Worser to that bar. Then she was dancing on that bar. Right. Buying everybody shots. With the men. Blashing her bits.

[00:31:02] I was like, oh, no. Like. First of all, that was me being scared when she was at the studio. And when she was on the table with the men were two different scares. Oh, yeah. I was like. Yes. We all know that feeling when we see a girl and we're like, hey, do you need help? Right. Because that's not. I was so. I looked at her and was like. I was so glad Petra was there. I was thankful. Yes.

[00:31:33] And then she didn't leave her until he came. Yeah. Even though Verity dumped a container of water on her head. Yeah. Petra was solid from the start to finish. She was. You know. Yeah. I'll give you that. Yeah. She was. She also. Remember, she warned Monk. Monk like she's. You know. Yeah. She tried. Like take care of my girl. Yeah. That's right. And then he was like. Monk was like. Yo, girl. I'm sorry. That made me. He ain't like that. And that's all he could focus on. Him? That's all he could focus on. And he kept that.

[00:32:02] He kept that trait all throughout. He always like. Yeah. She mine. She mine. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like. Even when she wasn't. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It was. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can I say something? Okay. What? So our girl turned pages with Mimi. Remember when she. Oh, she. So we. So, okay. Context. We just came back from Black Romance. Because. A time was had. Now, when we linked with her. She told us. She's like.

[00:32:32] Y'all can't tell me nothing. And I was like. Why is this? She said. Kennedy. That scene in Brooklyn. At the day party. She said. Kennedy Ryan told her. That her. Like she helped inspire that scene. Mm-hmm. And I'm like. Mimi. Mimi. Goat status. Mimi. Goat status. Sorry. Sorry. Talk to her real nice. Yeah. Yeah. Like. What? Like how do you. How do you talk that? How? You can't. You don't. Yeah. You don't. I hope it's in her bio. Right.

[00:33:02] Because. Like one of my pieces of content. And it was actually. An inspiration for. Her. Her contribution. To the literary space. It's not in her bio. But we might have. Sister. She should. I need to put that in. You gotta pin that video. You're gonna. Go ahead. Yes. You need a pin. But see. And that just comes back to who Kennedy is as a person. Because. I'm sorry. She is at this point. Like she's goated. Right. Yeah. She sees thousands upon thousands of hundreds of thousands of people. Okay. On average.

[00:33:32] Because she's been on tour for the past two, three years now with her books. Yeah. Yep. Every year. And for her to have this like individualized connection or like she remembers things about people and she just makes you feel like. So seen. Seen. What? Yeah. Who else is doing it like that? Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. There's no way I'm gonna remember you, you, you when I done met a hundred thousand people.

[00:34:01] I might remember like the vibe. Oh, right. A face or two. Right. A voice. You continuously hear that type of narrative surrounding any of her like meet and greets or any of her signings. Like people just feel so warm when they're around her because she makes you feel like she sees you. And she does. She'd be in a comment. She'd be. And I'm like, I like, I love that.

[00:34:28] And we are so blessed to live in this time. Like, I'm sorry. Our goat is literally alive at the same time as us. Yeah. Oh. And like you said, like building off of that is just like the fact that like she's showing that she's aware of like the landscape, like, like of the people that are like championing her books. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[00:34:51] Mm-hmm. Just like it means so much, you know? Right. Like, cause she, she didn't have to do that. Like she could have just been like, you know, cool. And we would have been like, all right, cool. Like it's still a great book. Um, but to say something like that, it just shows how much she values her, her readers, her community.

[00:35:19] Like, you know, like, and it's just, it's unmatched. She, she sets that bar high. Yeah. Like. And ain't nobody. Weren't you in conversation with her at one point? So like, I, like I've talked to her a couple of times, but, um, like I've never like done like a, like a formal like interview or anything like that. I hope to eventually. Um, but I just genuinely, it's just like her vibe is so unmatched.

[00:35:45] The only thing that we like to this point that like, we don't agree on is she's a UNC fan and I'm a Duke fan. So. Yeah, that is problem. Yeah. It's like, but you know what I'm saying? Other than that. If there were anybody that I would give a pass to for being a UNC fan. It's her. You know what I'm saying? Like, like if, if we were out or something and a Duke fan was like, like tried to boo

[00:36:13] her or something, I'd be like, not, not this one, bro. We can't move around. You know what I'm saying? Like, but other than that, like no complaints. I love it. Yeah. We love you. Such a doll. Yeah. Now. You couldn't tell girl, we love you. I wanted to also say that they, the two of them, I'm back to variety month. Cause I actually, I've been wanting to talk about them for weeks now.

[00:36:43] And I want y'all to know immediately after I finished this book, I loaded up that audio book. Immediately. Cause you just had to hear them. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Then they're. Hello. Wesley Shavon. Wesley Shavon. And it's Jacoby Diem, right? I believe so. I think that's them. Let me double check. I'm a double check on the. Don't check. Don't. Don't. We don't double check. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Them two. Yeah. Dangerous. That's a dangerous combination. I tell you.

[00:37:13] It's Winston James. Winston. Yes. Winston James. I'm kind of similar. He be on a lot of stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say that. I think that this is one of those stories where like, I haven't felt like this. Let me pull out my cigarette. I ain't felt like this in years. But like, no joke.

[00:37:42] This made me feel the way I felt after I read Seven Days in June. And I feel like I have been recovering from that. From this second chance for years. Yes. Oh my gosh. This second chance. Y'all know that's the key to it though. Yeah. Yeah. I love second chance. I love second chance. No I don't. Yeah. Oh, I eat a second chance. You love this second chance. Yeah. I did. And I actually put that in my review. I was like, I don't even really like second chance. It's eight. I thought this was real good. It was.

[00:38:11] And it was, it was such an interesting second chance because they weren't together for that long. What, 12 years? The first time. And then it was a 12 year. It was like a couple months. A couple months. Yeah. That's it. But I mean in college. And then. Right. Something about a young romance. It's just. You leave, you experience life. And you know what? Monk said something to this effect. He said like, if you would have told when Verity finally told him about her diagnosis. And remember he still. The whole time they were having a little situation ship.

[00:38:40] He was holding on to that hurt. And I was just like, oh Monk if you only knew. Okay. But when she finally told him. And he's like, we wasted so much time. And she said, no we didn't. I needed that time for myself. To get myself together. I'm like, exactly. Exactly. Amen. Exactly. And the best second chances. The woman and the man. They go their separate ways. They find themselves. And they come back. Like they need that time. I mean like 12 years is a long time. Okay.

[00:39:06] But she needed every one of them years to just get on a schedule. Get on her program. Like figure herself out. And honestly, truly if Monk was involved in all that. I don't think she would have been as far in her career. As far in her treatments or anything like that. Their relationship would have imploded again. Probably wouldn't have either. Yeah, he wouldn't have grown. Like I feel like. Oh yeah, because he might have like. Remember he was going. He was going to defer Julia. Yeah. Yeah. He was obsessed. Yes.

[00:39:36] Let me tell y'all something. If there's a young child on here listening for some reason. There you go. Don't you ever for a man, woman, or non-binary person. Put off your education or an opportunity. The love will be there. Yes. After you graduate. And if it wasn't. It wasn't for you. It wasn't for you. Because what is for you will come. What's for you is for you.

[00:40:06] I hate that trope. I hate that trope. The adults need to hear it too Aziza. The adults need it too. Honestly. Yeah. Anybody with ears. Listen up. Don't you ever put off an opportunity. For someone else. Like it just oftentimes doesn't make sense. It's because they're always those big life-changing opportunities. And they're like. But I want to stay here in West Bumble for another three years. So I can be a mechanic. What? Shout out mechanics.

[00:40:36] Shout out mechanics. I did it. Okay. Shout out mechanics. But yeah. Okay. We love our blue collar workers. However. However. When opportunity calls. Pick up. Pick up the phone. You need to pick up. Wing, wing, wing. And get on that plane. Okay. And like y'all said. Like I think that she needed. I think that they may have figured out. Like how to manage her diagnosis together. But I think she needed to learn how to manage it herself. Like she needed to regain that trust in herself. Yeah. So that like.

[00:41:06] She could have those moments where it's like. Look y'all. Chill. I know when I. When I need a moment. You know. Like. Because as annoying as it was to us. Because it was like. Come on. Like just. Just communicate. She was like. Look. I know. Like I know when I need some help. But she wouldn't have known that without that time. That's true. Yeah. That's real. And he would have. Gave up everything. To learn everything about her. Which would have been. It would have been beautiful in the romantic sense. But it would have been tragic. Because he wouldn't have met his potential.

[00:41:36] Correct. So. A word. But like I was. Like Neva did the same thing. She was about to. Like she was going to stay. For old boy. And. The whole time. The sister. And him. Was then plotting. So it's like. That was real. Yeah. That might be a sign. Like that might be a sign. Like look. If you're thinking about. The moment you start thinking about putting off an opportunity. Start checking in with these people. Something is going on.

[00:42:06] That you might not know. That's tea. Because why does it always go left. Right. As soon as you start thinking about. You know what. I really like this person. Let me put off this. Nah. Nah. They might be out here doing something that you don't know. Maybe that's that feeling that you get. Mm. Mm. Period. Or just that it's not even meant to be. Mm. Because I feel like if it is. Like you should be able to grow with your person.

[00:42:39] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because love has to live in real life. Like love don't pay the bills. But love is all. You know we talk about these feelings. But love at the end of the day. It's a choice. It's a choice to choose someone. It's a choice to show up. It's a choice to accept them. In any form. Right. And every form. And Monk loved that girl. Daddy loved her. Down bad. Love her down bad. He's only been in love with her. Like for real. That's her only one. Actually.

[00:43:09] Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna be real silly for just a second. Okay. Go for it. If we had to rank this book in terms of just the nasty. The spice. Okay. Would you put this one at number one? Or number one? Number one! Because I want y'all to know. I said oh Kennedy is taking us there. I said I didn't think that we was gonna be getting no threesomes.

[00:43:39] No. No. None of the little play. At her DC stop. She said this is one of the spiciest books she's ever written. Okay. So even for her. For her she recognizes this is one of her. She was getting down. Wait. Because I did. I don't know how. But I did briefly forget about that life-changing orgasm that monk got. On Valentine's Day. Like. She was like I'm just trying to give you something. It was above him at that point. It really was.

[00:44:08] I was just so glad he opened himself up to the opportunity. I see what you did there. He opened himself up. You know. Kathy cried. I see. I see what you did with that. But it was just him at the end and was like Verity whoa. If I would have died without experiencing that. Yeah. It would have been a tragedy. Yeah. Make him want to marry me. Okay. Well shoot. Put it on a make him want to marry you. Why you playing?

[00:44:38] Yeah. Because who was the one being convinced? I love that. Hey. I'm glad he was open to it. I do. I'm glad he was open to it. Right. I just love how open everything was. I love that. Just from the menage all the way to that. Right. I thought he was going to be like never mind. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like this booty is closed. But no. In fact. He said you know what? Hey man. Why? He said I'll try anything once. Right. And boy did he like it.

[00:45:07] He missed it. And I love that he took a moment to reflect. And he's like I'm not homophobic by any stretch of the imagination. He's like but I didn't realize that my own like closed mindedness like put a limit on my masculinity. And he's like and that's actually not what happened. Like yeah we did a little butt stuff. And guess what? I'm still a straight man. Correct. That's fine.

[00:45:35] Like it's fine because at the end of the day between you and your partner it's just about your pleasure. Period. And they were both satisfied in the end. And that's something too like I never considered that. Like it's just like one of those things that like a lot of times like in her books I feel like she addresses things that like people don't even think that they need to address. Like it's just like a like I wouldn't consider myself a homophobic person you know.

[00:46:03] But it's like like you said like there's so many like underlying like thought processes that you have that are like they don't go address because it's like when is that supposed to come up? Yeah. She brings the nuance to the front. Yeah. On the page. Makes you really think about some things. She does.

[00:46:23] Because even the conversation that Verity was having with one of Neva's friends and she was like basically about to be bi erasure because she was like well I don't know how you like I thought you were a lesbian. Like I didn't know that you liked men and women. And it's like yeah bisexual people have existed for a while and there's a lot of things that are put on them like restraints and whatnot.

[00:46:51] It's like do we need to? Like do we need to be doing that? So I appreciated that that was placed in the book and she was like no like this is just a part of who I am. Like and it doesn't make me as a lot of people like to call bisexuals. But it also doesn't make me like naturally a cheater. Like it doesn't make me all these things. It's just my sexuality.

[00:47:19] And like Kayla said bringing nuance to the front. Yes. She said I can't remember the exact wording but one of the things that caught me it was pretty early on where she when she addressed her diagnosis and she was like. I'm I am not bipolar like I'm living with bipolar. Yes. And I was like you know I've never thought about that.

[00:47:43] Like everybody that I've ever like spoke to that has like a like a mental illness or like like it'll just be like yeah like like I'm bipolar or I'm schizophrenic or something like that. It's like no you're you're much more than that diagnosis. Right. But it's like just those little nuances like you said like how you word things I think changes how people view it. Like it's like no you are not schizophrenic. You're living with schizophrenia.

[00:48:14] Like but who are you outside of that. Yes. And it gives people the opportunity to see who you are outside of that instead of leading with that. Period. How do people say that romance is just oh it's it's this is that. It's just my romance. It's just my. It's it's such a fantastic avenue and just fiction in general. I'm tired. Listen. I applaud you because let me tell you something. Men that only read nonfiction love that you're dangerous.

[00:48:43] But please read fiction because it makes you empathetic. It makes you understanding. It allows you to see things from others points of view and different life experiences. And I'm just like I'm tired of talking about how great kids girl. You know you're great. You know you're great. But just yes like just you I don't feel like you I wouldn't have gotten the same like lesson or understanding like reading a nonfiction book about like bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder. Yes. Yeah. That's real. That is so real. I know.

[00:49:12] And like you said Kayla romance is just such a great avenue for so many other things like wherever Kennedy brought us in the story whether we were focused on the mental illnesses both diagnosed and undiagnosed medication. Grief. Trauma. What whatever direction she was taking us. I was in there. And then when she brought us back to the romance it was like oh like that's nice. This is great too. This is great too.

[00:49:39] Like it's it just all meshed together so well. And then a little history too for y'all who be like oh but we gotta learn our history. Do you understand how many unsung and unknown artists she shouted out with throughout this entire novel? Yes. And literally wove into that underlying plot of the movie or the film that she was writing? That was insane. Yeah. Shout out to Verity Skills. Like she really did that with that script. Put Desi Blue on the big screen right now. Yes. Like I'm trying to see it.

[00:50:09] I'm trying to see the movie too. The list of like artists. Now mind you I y'all know I read a lot of his fic. I love like certain time periods like I'm in a Harlem Renaissance time period right now where I'm reading a lot of fiction around that or like fiction written during that time. There are so many names of people that I've never heard of. Yeah. That she acknowledged in this book. And I'm like girl thank you. Because these names would just be lost to history and just lost like okay one second I have to I have to I have to take it somewhere real quick.

[00:50:38] I I was telling Nish because she was asking how I was reading. The whole time I was reading this book my stomach was hurting. The whole time. And yes. One thing that I feel like was just something that was like constantly on my mind was the trauma that Verity was carrying based off of the relationship with her parents. Oh my goodness. And how she internalized that and how she felt like that was how her life was going to end up. And how E-drink I know you E-drink is E-drink is almost done. I'm sorry I'm going to have to spoil it.

[00:51:07] But the epilogue. Oh crying. When I tell you I was boohoo crying. Boo who crying. She was trying to be me for real. I was. I also had a cry count. I think she beat my cry count. I. Five times. I counted. I was going to say I want to know y'all's cry count. Wow. Give her take. No I was like I don't really count the times. It's kind of like. Just like. Ballpark.

[00:51:38] Ballpark. Yeah. Y'all know I'm emotional. I cry all the time. I'm going to give you a cool six. I'm going to give you a cool six Alex. I think. Yeah. Average. Or more. I think I was definitely at a cool seven if we're being honest. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few times I cried just because they just kind of kept going as I was reading. But oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:07] I love a book that made me cry. Like excitement at all. Like I was. I remember crying. Oh at the end. When they like the. No like the tension when they like were working together again. I don't know. I was kicking my feet. I was eating that up but I was so nervous. My stomach goes to knots. I forgot it was like the wrap party or something and then they like were separated and they like he grabbed her from like the alleyway and they were like brought to Desi's like set or something like that. I was like. Yeah. Yeah. Wait a second. Yeah.

[00:52:37] The people are all downstairs. We can't just be doing this. But not on this twin bed. A twin bed that we can't do that. Like who's been messing with the set? Right. You broke the whole bed. We've all had a twin bed before. They um. Yeah. In college. You can. Some things can happen in a twin bed. I mean. On it all. I loved my twin bed in college. But to be honest. That is not a real bed. A twin bed. It's not a real bed. Those are built.

[00:53:07] Oh you're right. You're right. It was like hot bed. Yeah. It wasn't even a real bed. Yeah. You're right. They definitely would have destroyed that set. Like a twin bed. I feel like a regular twin bed is not built to handle a 12 year build up. Right. That was going to be the first time. He like. I can't. I'm not going to smash it here. What's that one Boosie song? I got some pressure building up. That man was starving. Okay.

[00:53:37] Yeah. That brother was starving. Like. You know what I'm saying? That prop bed. That room. Wouldn't have stood the channel. And they was trying to keep it a secret. That part. And I think. Cast and crew downstairs. That was the funniest part. Like. I'm sitting here like you. You're peeping Neva. And. Cannon. Right. I'm like. And you don't think nobody is peeping. Y'all too? Y'all too? When you can't even barely focus on the task at hand.

[00:54:06] When the other one is in the room. They're in the same room. Be serious. Oh my god. I'm sorry. They're so silly. Cannon checking in. Cannon. Okay. First of all. Him checking in on her. Love that. I love that. How's everything with mine? You working okay with mine? Mind your business. He was really looking out for both of them. That's probably because Monk was over there running that mouth. You know. He led a cheat day. Yeah. He was. Monk was a little pettier than I thought he would be. Oh. And I love that. When they were in situations and he was like. Yeah. We dated. She's like.

[00:54:36] That's nobody's business. Like boy. Hello. And she's just over there like. Or when he was on the keys playing. He's like. Yeah. This song was about a cheater. He's like. What is your problem? When I tell you. I screamed. Because I'm like. Monk. He's so petty. I said you can't do it in front of the people. He's like. I'll do it again. Where's your decorum? And he did. He did not care. He had to do it. I don't care. Oh my goodness.

[00:55:07] Okay. You got to take that with it. Like if you. You want to love her boy. Yeah. Right. You got to deal with emotions. You're right. And they were being petty. Bro started seeing them songs. He started hearing saxophones. He said. All right. We playing music. I got a song for you. Let's talk about a woman I know. He said. An unfaithful woman. And playing music while he's being petty. Okay. Yeah. Honestly. You're sick. Hilarious. It sounds.

[00:55:37] You know like when in church. When the pastor's talking over. And we're about to transition to the next song. That's what I imagined. That's where he got it from. Yeah. That's what I imagined. Because you know he's a PK. He is a PK. Yeah. He was so mean to his daddy too. What his daddy would call. He had. He did have daddy. I understand the weirdo. I'm not going to lie. Yes. Very understandable. I didn't get it. Yeah. He did his mama wrong. He kept that MG. He said. My mama. You embarrassed my mama. Said.

[00:56:07] Mm-hmm. Bad. He said. You don't have to worry about me. Right. Yeah. Real. Yeah. I grew up in a similar situation. Like not like a. Like I'm not a child of a PK. But like my dad moved like that with my mom. Where it was like. Like you're raised. And it's like. It was me and my brother. And it's like we're raised by this woman. Like we get to see like how much she's carrying. To like help. Like to raise us. And make sure that we're raised right. So like you popping in and stuff. Like. Yeah.

[00:56:36] I've had similar. I remember growing up where it was like. Like I woke up one night. And I heard my mom crying. And she was on the phone. I didn't know who she was on the phone with. But it was my dad. And I told him. I was like bro. Like. We don't need you over here. Like you know what I'm saying. Like you can go ahead. Go ahead and move around. Like we're cool over here. Yeah. But what we're not going to do. You're not going to be calling over here. Making my mom cry. Like you know what I'm saying. Because it's like. She's doing all this by herself. Right.

[00:57:06] Like you don't get to just hop in. When you feel like it. And be a dad. And then hop out. Like no. Right. You chose your side. Stay on that side. That's right. And I feel like he stood on it. He was just like look. Yep. He kept that. He kept that same energy for years and years and years. Yeah. I'm like. Like over a decade actually. Yeah. That's actually kind of impressive. I'm not going to lie. I love a crud. They say like your parents are going to be like. That's how you learn to love. That's how.

[00:57:36] That's your first heartbreak. So. They both had some things that they needed to overcome. In order for them to actually. Successfully be together. It was a lot going on. But. I think like towards the end when like her mom remarried. And like got her own place set up. And like it helped bridge that gap between Monk and his dad. To even like open that back up. Because like his mom was better off. Yeah. Than being in that relationship. For sure. Yeah.

[00:58:04] And I appreciate that his mom wasn't like. You need to forgive your dad. Because actually do I? No. Yeah. Only when he was like really like cussing him out and stuff. She's like okay. He was like all right. All right. All right. Relax. Because I don't even have that energy for him right now. Okay. Right. Reel it in. And he's like. I was the one who was wronged. No. I'm the victim here. He's like hello. He would apologize and be like. I have to do this.

[00:58:34] And then go cuss him out. So okay. I think we. Well. Let me see. What's everybody's ratings? What was. What are we rating this? And it's a one to five. It's a one to five. One star. Five star. We know it ain't no one, two, three. Or three. Or for it to me. But. Yeah. Yeah. Are we all going to show it at the same time? Yeah. Okay. One. Two. Three. Five stars.

[00:59:04] Yeah. Five star ratings. Period. Everybody. I wish I could give it more. Five star right now. Honestly. General consensus. Yeah. Yeah. It was fantastic. No notes. So well done. Yeah. No notes. No notes. At all. She did it. Do I always. She knocked it out the park. I have a question. Do I always want more? Yes. That's my own email. But you got the epilogue. I'm needy. Are you right? I got the epilogue. But guess what? Two epilogues of that. I want the epilogue. And then I want another epilogue. Y'all got me hyped, man. Right. I want to know that.

[00:59:34] She even. You know. She didn't even give everything away. She gave us a recipe too. Yeah. We didn't. You still got. You still got some more to go. Oh yeah. You got some nice little. You got some nice little stuff going. You let us know when you're done. I want to hear. I want that reaction. Oh please. Well he's been recording his reaction. Oh I know. Yeah. I can't wait to see that. Oh excellent. Yes. Continue that. The next one that's going up is the Valentine's Day scene. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My boy.

[01:00:04] My boy lost in the clutch. I was like. Come on bro. Come on. The. Like. The lights are. Could never be brighter. And this is when you. You said. Well. All right. You know. Like. That's so weird. Because that whole scene. Really the thing. Like. Like you were saying. The open up part. I was like. All right. You're pushing it. When she was like. Bear down. I was like. That's when she would have lost. Me. I would have been like. All right.

[01:00:34] Never mind. Never mind. Like. You know what I'm saying. But it was already in. Yeah. Hey. It was already in. Now we get. But like. Genuinely. Like. I think what gets me about that. Is like. When she said it. It made me think about like. Once again. Like. I don't even know what that means. Like. What do you mean. Bear down. Like. How did. Oh. I did have to pause and visualize it. Yeah. I was like. Bear down. Like. I've genuinely.

[01:01:04] I don't think I've ever been told that. As a man. Like. So it's like. It's not too late. Genuinely. Like. I'd be confused. Like. What? Like. What do you mean? I could see. I could see that. That's probably. Yeah. I care. You know what? It's fair. You just need to. You know what? And to everybody listening. If you ain't read the book yet. Yeah. You need to go ahead and go experience that for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Open that book up. Get that audio book loaded up and just enjoy yourself. I just. Yeah. Oh.

[01:01:34] I did have something to say. Okay. Real. Sister had lupus. Our good sis here has BPD. What is the next illness that someone will have? Oh. And what is the next? Is it? What is the next thing? So. What's. The street. The street said. What? Come closer to the mic niche. What did she say? They can't hear you. The street said. That the next book. And this is based off of her indie. Like.

[01:02:04] Catalog of this series. Because it was indie before it was tried. Okay. Is supposed to be seam. That was the original. The original title. And we know a seam stress. We all know one. Costume designer. She was in both. Costume designers. And she was doing her thing. And I'm like. And we didn't get too. Too much. From her. So I almost feel like. I don't know. But I'm scared. But we got enough to be intrigued. I'm a little scared. Yeah. Yeah. If it's the costume designer that eats. Like that eats.

[01:02:33] Every part of the movie. Like industry. Director. What's the. The diagnosis that Muhammad Ali had. That was like. It makes your. Your hands shake. Because she's a seamstress. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Because she's a seamstress. And she would lose her job. Okay. Okay. Like she wouldn't be able to like. Keep her hands still. Like. Okay. That is. But the only reason I don't think it would be Parkinson's. Is because. Lupus.

[01:03:03] And BPD. Are not. Like. Excuse my franklineness. But they're not death sentences. But Parkinson's. Like it doesn't have a cure. Like you can live with lupus and BPD. Yeah. I don't think. Like. I don't think she did that too. Like if she gave a character Parkinson's. Hmm. Yeah. That character. Oh my. Is gonna. I'm not prepared for that. Rheumatoid arthritis. Because then your hands. Yeah. There you go. Like each of your hands and stuff. Yeah. And that is. Common.

[01:03:33] Or maybe like. Yeah. A bad carpal tunnel. Cause carpal tunnel gets like. I mean it could be debilitating. Bad. It gets bad. Okay. Yeah. And she could. I mean there's. There's a lot. And her men will help her sew the costumes? Mm. Like. She'll mess around and learn to sew. That's sweet. Oh. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Introduce her. To her mentee. Mm. And then. I don't know. Girl I'm making stuff around. Or maybe. Right like.

[01:04:03] Maybe he has snow. Maybe he has snow. We just throw stuff on the wall. Maybe he has snow. Build on set or something. And he's gonna build her something. That's gonna help her. Oh he's the set builder? Set designer? Okay. Set designer. That's hot. We love a set designer. Man who wears that in his hands. Mm. Yeah. A carpenter of sorts. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Moon collar. Now. Moon collar. Moon collar. In the same timeline as the movie. Like as the description. Yes. It has to be. There was a lot happening on that set. Right.

[01:04:33] Question. The friend who like was kind of peeping what was happening between them. What did she do? Mel? I know she was married. Mm. No not Mel. The friend that was on set. The friend that was on set. Oh the hairdresser? No that was Niva's friend. Not the hairdresser. Yeah that's Niva's friend. I forgot her name. but the one that was i can't remember her name who who clocked monk and verity from yes oh yeah

[01:04:59] i thought she was one of the well aside from the fact that she was in she a producer i thought she was a uh yes executive producer or something yeah she was one of the producers okay because i was trying to because i was trying to pay attention because in the first book no but she has a husband no stop i don't mean that that was my only my only other concern is like she has a husband but she also has a very powerful husband like it's not like a this isn't

[01:05:25] like a husband that's just off like bro is if i'm not mistaken he's funding all of this isn't he like like he's with the studio okay he is but maybe we can work a divorce in there right they have maybe okay maybe what if it's not a good relationship because there was something off about it right no no they did she was she was so involved with everyone else's business and not her life and

[01:05:52] then their kids and their home and he was just like i'm wearing a suit and i'm going to work okay he doesn't see her the way she needs to be seen okay and that's why the marriage is not gonna work i'm sad i'm i don't i actually don't care which of these storylines all right kennedy decides i'm i'm or if she goes yeah you can take any of those kennedy call us we're ready to workshop the next right or even even if you've got the third one you got the outline the fourth

[01:06:21] one girl call it yeah we got you yeah also kennedy you're not sneaky i see you practicing your screenwriting in these books she's oh yeah screenwriting for her tv shows i see you sister i can't wait i cannot wait well thank y'all thank you edric for joining us i'm like i don't even know what else to say at this point just don't read that book y'all shout out to him because we don't

[01:06:48] listen to men like that we really don't we don't we don't we don't we don't listen to men like that yeah i got a man on the pod what wow unfortunately a lot of my brothers should not be in front of a podcast mike you know so it's i like that y'all heard it here first and it's not a little dicey right i guess it gets a little dicey sometimes so it's like i get it

[01:07:18] well i appreciate y'all y'all taking a chance on me hopefully i didn't disappoint you know like i you know what i'm saying like no you did that it's a great time for some so much fun yeah lovely conversation that i don't think we would have gotten if it was just the four of us kiki and as oh yeah very true thank you so thank you um yeah if you enjoyed this obviously like comment

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